Attorneys for the prosecution and defense make their closing arguments today at the trial of retired Tampa police captain Curtis Reeves, charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting a man eight years ago during a confrontation inside a Wesley Chapel movie theater.
Then, during its third week, the case goes to a six-member jury for a verdict.
Reeves, 71 at the time, is arguing he fired in self-defense, saying he feared harm from fellow movie-goer Chad Oulson, 43, in part because Reeves’ health was deteriorating with age. Prosecutors countered the claim with testimony that Reeves had gone hunting in the days before the fatal shooting.
The confrontation began when Reeves noticed Oulson texting during the movie previews and told him to stop. The two argued and Reeves left to complain to a manager. He returned and informed Oulson what he had done. Oulson grabbed Reeves’ popcorn and threw it in his face and Reeves pulled the handgun and fired. The defense has raised questions about whether Oulson also threw his cell phone at Reeves.
In his closing argument, prosecutor Scott Rosenwasser told the jury, “‘Man killed over popcorn toss’ — that sounds like a sensationalized headline, something you’d read in big bold type at a newsstand. But in this case it’s absolutely, unfortunately true.”
Defense attorney Rick Escobar told jurors, “The law of self-defense requires us to judge the reasonableness of Reeves’ perception — not here in the comfort of a courtroom, but in a darkened, cramped theater.”
![Defense attorney Richard Escobar explains justifiable use of deadly force during closing arguments to the jury in the murder trial of retired Tampa police captain Curtis Reeves.](data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"%20viewBox="0%200%203000%201913"/%3E "Defense attorney Richard Escobar explains justifiable use of deadly force during closing arguments to the jury in the murder trial of retired Tampa police captain Curtis Reeves.")
Staff writer Anastasia Dawson is reporting live from the trial at the Robert D. Sumner Judicial Center in Dade City. Her tweets appear below.
And catch up here on the trial so far, in reverse order: Thursday, Wednesday, Tuesday, Monday, Friday, Feb. 17, Feb. 16, Feb. 15 and Feb. 14. Read the full background on the case here.
Escobar than points out that, forensically Oulson's hand was in front of his thorax when #CurtisReeves shot - would be consistent with someone making a fist
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: "Why would Mrs. Oulson have to hold her own husband back? Because she knows his violent tendencies?" Major objections from state - judge tells jury to disregard that comment.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar also tells jury to think about why Nicole Oulson's left hand was on his chest when #CurtisReeves shot. Would have been awkward if they were side by side, but not so hard if he was in front of her, going over seat towards Reeves.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: If we were sitting in seat 9A, like #CurtisReeves, what would we see? We would see those hands coming towards you. That matters.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar shows the jury #CurtisReeves "old man" glasses - flexible and capable of creating the injury to his eyelid. That injury was noticed by a PCSO crime scene tech, who took photos of it. Says "without a doubt" Reeves was hit in the face with that phone
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar talks about that grainy surveillance video &the little flash in the corner. Maybe its a cell phone, maybe its #CurtisReeves shoe moving, but either way its a reaction to Oulson coming over the back of his seat towards Reeves &his wife
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar then tells jury to think about what #CurtisReeves did when he got back from talking 2 the theater manager that day - he grabbed popcorn from his wife. If he knew he was about to get into it w/Oulson he would have kept both hands free
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
#CurtisReeves was a no stone unturned homicide detective& then protected 30-40k Busch Gardens visitors daily. Don’t let the prosecution tell you that it doesn’t matter, Escobar said. In 27 years at TPD, 15 leading tactical response, he never once shot his gun.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
It's an incredible education on the realities of how vulnerable we are, young or old, to violence, Escobar said. You're reminded that in a moment’s notice you could be crippled or killed. It's an experience most never get, but #CurtisReeves lived it daily.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
As homicide detective #CurtisReeves was in the medical examiner's office multiple days a week, watching them cut into human bodies &dictating reasons for injuries & causes of death, Escobar said.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
#CurtisReeves is not just some trigger-happy ex cop.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
TPDs upper brass had the utmost confidence in his training & judgement. Curtis didn't want to rise up the ranks for control, but for income! He had a wife &2 kids, he was going to school full time & trying 2 make a living
Escobar: There's an action and a reaction. The human body takes time to perceive what you're seeing, decide what you're going to do, and react. This absolutely could not have been about popcorn #CurtisReeves
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: Dr. Vedard testified that #CurtisReeves did not fire that weapon in response to popcorn being thrown - the state's primary theme! He testified that 0.72 sec passed between that time period of those hands coming to grab the popcorn and the firing of the shot
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar points out state complaints about experts they hired to testify, like Dr. Roy Bedard, whom the same prosecutors hired themselves in a different case #CurtisReeves
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: It’s a dangerous world we live in. Things happen in split seconds. It’s very difficult to judge what comes next. It’s very difficult to understand the makeup of that person who is about to attack you. But LEO like #CurtisReeves know to look for cues to prevent attack
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: He had no duty to retreat and had the absolute right to stand his ground and meet force with force including deadly force. Those are the protections that all of us as citizens of this great state enjoy #CurtisReeves
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: That’s the beauty of this law: it does not punish an individual's reasonable perception they are in danger. The danger facing Curtis reeves need not have been actual. As long as he reasonably perceived it was a dangerous situation the law protects us.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: the law says a person is justified in use of deadly force if a person reasonably believes such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another (like Vivian) & that danger need not have been actual #CurtisReeves
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: The law has recognized that the aged in our community are vulnerable & if the aged are vulnerable we’ve got to protect them because one "misdemeanor battery" punch could cost them their lives, so 65+ it's a felony charge – up to 5 yrs in prison
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: The law of self defense doesn't tell you 'Get smacked first, get punched first, then see what you can do,' because, as state witnesses have told you, just one punch can cause great bodily harm and one punch can cause death #CurtisReeves
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: Don't judge #CurtisReeves by the prosecution's life experience, but by Reeves. Not once in his entire career did he fire his weapon in the line of duty. He was asked to start one of the most dangerous squads at TPD, he traveled the country studying how to prevent danger
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: Burden of proof is the bedrock of our system of justice, and that burden of proof is on the prosecution. #CurtisReeves entered a plea of not guilty, so you must presume he's innocent. That's how we start this trial and there's a reason why that's the law.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: We live in the greatest country in the world w/a system of justice considered the very best & because we have to consider everything. We have to analyze the evidence and judge that evidence. #CurtisReeves
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: the state is telling u not to consider this or that. Do not discount anything! Do not discount anything that we do/say/present or that the prosecution presents either! Because it all matters. All of it matters to #CurtisReeves
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: #CurtisReeves at the time of this incident had more knowledge, more experience, more study in that area than anyone in this courtroom and certainly anyone that was responsible for investigating his case. You must consider Reeves' perception in that moment
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Escobar: The law requires each of us to stand in the shoes of #CurtisReeves, a 71yo man at the time, a decorated law enforcement officer who had countless hours of training in use of force, assessment of danger, & the risks that take place when faced with a dangerous encounter
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
#CurtisReeves atty Rick Escobar: The law of self defense requires us 2 judge the reasonableness of Reeves' perception, not here in the comfort of a courtroom, but in a darkened, cramped theater
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
#CurtisReeves defense atty Rick Escobar starts his closing arguments w/an old adage: You don't judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes. "A very wise saying that's actually embodied in the laws of self defense."
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser ends his argument by showing the jury 2 photos of 2 men: "This is what happened to #CurtisReeves that day, note the redness on his eye. But this is what happened to Chad Oulson. Did this man really believe that (Oulson's autopsy photo) was necessary?"
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
And the biggest evidence against #CurtisReeves - how could not a single person say they saw or heard this terrible attack? And why didn't he have any signs of injury, other than a small red mark on his eyelid - behind his glasses which would have protected his eyes?
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
At the time #CurtisReeves shot Chad Oulson, the popcorn had already been tossed and Oulson was bringing his arm back to his body. You can see it in the video "plain as day"
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Still, Rosenwasser said, #CurtisReeves leaned over a 3rd time and poked Oulson again "because he's the alpha male & he's used to being in control. It's like getting the last word in w/ a kid. It's spiteful."
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Regardless of what #CurtisReeves said to Oulson when he leaned over not once but 2xs, he had put his phone away, Reeves got what he wanted.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser reminds the jury about #CurtisReeves archery, bicycling, choosing a seat in the very back of a theater despite perceived physical limitations. But if someone w/2 broken legs and a torn rotator cuff got popcorn thrown in their face, should they be allowed to kill?
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser: All these things seem so silly I almost hate to bring them up, but it's all so untrue. #CurtisReeves
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Actions are everything, Rosenwasser said. "Did #CurtisReeves really perceive himself as this vulnerable, fragile egg as he climbed 10ft up a tree to hunt just days before the shooting?'
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser asks jury to forget about the hours of testimony #CurtisReeves defense brought in from experts on what COULD have happened to Reeves body/mind/crime scene. Forget about the video going to Cobb corporate, or detectives asking bad questions. This is about Reeves
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Much was made of witness contamination by #CurtisReeves defense, but there's no evidence of that at all, Rosenwasser said. No one knew each other or conspired against Reeves. In fact, married couples said they saw different things, despite sharing info, b/c they were under oath
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser reminds jury of how #CurtisReeves was "second-guessing" whether he was hit or not from the moment he got arrested, "but u don't get second guesses when you kill somebody."
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Another 'shiny object' from #CurtisReeve: the Pasco Sheriff's investigation, Rosenwasser says. The investigation was crappy, absolutely. It was terrible, no doubt about it. Not one person would tell you otherwise. But the reality is that doesn't mean a single thing in this case.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
&Rosenwasser says Matt Reeves was the only moviegoer who said it was too dark to see. He said he heard #CurtisReeves say "get out of my face," but then played Reeves interview w/detectives that night - Reeves says Oulson told HIM 2 "get out of my face"
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser says #CurtisReeves children are good people in a tough situation - credible & not credible at the same time because they're too close. They want to save their dad. Jennifer Shaw's testimony on dad deteriorating w/age doesn't change the fact he killed Oulson
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser: A camera can never in a million yrs tell you what an eyewitness can tell you, and they all told u that despite being dark & loud in theater, despite odd layout, they all said under oath they saw or heard #CurtisReeves start it and end it
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
#CurtisReeves argues investigators should've recreated the scene& theater was too dark &loud to rely on what witnesses saw. But state says it's "literally impossible to create that scene." What was on the screen, who sat where, who was talking, what angle were they looking, etc.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
#CurtisReeves argues investigators should've recreated the scene& theater was too dark &loud to rely on what witnesses saw. But state says it's "literally impossible to create that scene." What was on the screen, who sat where, who was talking, what angle were they looking, etc.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser tells jury not to fall for "shiny objects" from #CurtisReeves defense. He already said he intended to shoot Oulson, the question is was the use of deadly force necessary & could he reasonably think killing Oulson was only way to stop death or great bodily harm
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Evidence shows #CurtisReeves started it & ended it, Rosenwasser said. His LEO history shows a man who likes being in dangerous situations, likes adrenaline, likes being the guy in control. Yet he says Oulson scared him more than any experience he had on street patrol? On SWAT?
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser says there's no lack of evidence in #CurtisReeves case. Instead, there's 9 eyewitnesses, the defendant's conflicting statements, and a video showing Reeves leaning forward and shooting Oulson from the hip - no grand attack, no life or death struggle
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Rosenwasser: I submit #CurtisReeves told that story b/c he had no idea so many people saw what happened, and he never in a million years would have guessed a 10th silent witness saw it too - the security camera. In the end, the silent witness spoke the loudest.
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Yesterday, #CurtisReeves gave a very self-serving statement. But a self-serving story does not equal self defense. 2 of the 9 moviegoers were called by defense, but NONE told a story remotely similar to Reeves' account. Not even his wife Vivian, sitting right next to him
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
#CurtisReeves is a career law enforcement officer, trained in de-escalation, but instead of deescalating the situation he instigated it. Rosenwasser says none of Reeves' varying accounts of why &how he killed Oulson are credible. We know b/c 9 eyewitnesses in the theater said so
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
#CurtisReeves is a career law enforcement officer, trained in de-escalation, but instead of deescalating the situation he instigated it. Rosenwasser says none of Reeves' varying accounts of why &how he killed Oulson are credible. We know b/c 9 eyewitnesses in the theater said so
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
We know that's true because 3 witnesses who don't know each other, aren't friends &were spread across the theater heard #CurtisReeves say as much after pulling the trigger/shooting Chad Oulson - "throw popcorn in my face"
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
Asst. State Atty Scott Rosenwasser up 1st to sum up the case against #CurtisReeves: "Man killed over popcorn toss" - that sounds like a sensationalized headline, something you'd read in big bold type @ a newsstand, but in this case it's absolutely unfortunately true
— Anastasia Dawson (@adawsonwrites) February 25, 2022
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